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		<title>Comment on The First Due Blog Carnival by Tiger Schmittendorf</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/03/11/the-first-due-blog-carnival/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiger Schmittendorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Art -

Once again I&#039;m convinced that we were cut from the same cloth - I just don&#039;t remember seeing you around the house - LOL.

Although our lives took different paths, they&#039;ve ended up in the same place: right here, right now, connected by this technologically enhanced opportunity to connect.

You bring out a point that I make often, that if you&#039;re not taking something away from helping others -- if you&#039;re not getting enough self-satisfaction - you&#039;re probably not an effective firefighter.

It&#039;s not selfish, it&#039;s self-fulfilling your legacy of service.

Stay safe. Train often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Art -</p>
<p>Once again I&#8217;m convinced that we were cut from the same cloth &#8211; I just don&#8217;t remember seeing you around the house &#8211; LOL.</p>
<p>Although our lives took different paths, they&#8217;ve ended up in the same place: right here, right now, connected by this technologically enhanced opportunity to connect.</p>
<p>You bring out a point that I make often, that if you&#8217;re not taking something away from helping others &#8212; if you&#8217;re not getting enough self-satisfaction &#8211; you&#8217;re probably not an effective firefighter.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not selfish, it&#8217;s self-fulfilling your legacy of service.</p>
<p>Stay safe. Train often.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Houston? You Have A Problem! by Civilian X</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/01/26/houston-you-have-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>Civilian X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the evidence is so compromised that the OIG is struggling to make a case against the evildoers and clear Draycott&#039;s name or prove it was self-inflicted and force Draycott out.  Thanks for the extra details you&#039;ve included here that slipped by most of the media.  God help whoever did this because Draycott&#039;s husband is a homicide detective and &quot;mercy&quot; is the last word in our departmental motto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the evidence is so compromised that the OIG is struggling to make a case against the evildoers and clear Draycott&#8217;s name or prove it was self-inflicted and force Draycott out.  Thanks for the extra details you&#8217;ve included here that slipped by most of the media.  God help whoever did this because Draycott&#8217;s husband is a homicide detective and &#8220;mercy&#8221; is the last word in our departmental motto.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Union Banning Members From Volunteering? by Mike France</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2009/01/22/union-banning-members-from-volunteering/comment-page-1/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art, i was just goggling and i found this , how ironic that you did a blog on this. what they failed to say was that a Paid Ff who volunteered got hurt and got workmans comp from the City of Albany, our department had aa Albany FF who resigned from us also</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art, i was just goggling and i found this , how ironic that you did a blog on this. what they failed to say was that a Paid Ff who volunteered got hurt and got workmans comp from the City of Albany, our department had aa Albany FF who resigned from us also</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personal Accountability with Morality by Tiger Schmittendorf</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/02/21/personal-accountability-with-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiger Schmittendorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Art, the reality is that these aren&#039;t the first indicators of this kind of behavior. All too often someone hears of a fire department that just turns a blind eye to certian offenses, often in fear of being sued for discriminating against or discharging a member because of a criminal record.

Our litigious world makes too many chief and administrative officers lean too far to the left of focusing solely on doing things the right (legal) way (or worse, not doing anything at all) instead of simply doing what they know is the right thing. 

In the end, the rights of the criminal are protected, the victims are victimized over and over and the fire service gets another black eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Art, the reality is that these aren&#8217;t the first indicators of this kind of behavior. All too often someone hears of a fire department that just turns a blind eye to certian offenses, often in fear of being sued for discriminating against or discharging a member because of a criminal record.</p>
<p>Our litigious world makes too many chief and administrative officers lean too far to the left of focusing solely on doing things the right (legal) way (or worse, not doing anything at all) instead of simply doing what they know is the right thing. </p>
<p>In the end, the rights of the criminal are protected, the victims are victimized over and over and the fire service gets another black eye.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Volunteers; Who Is Listening? by 2/23/2010 Episode 3: Open Phones : Firefighter Netcast</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/02/09/volunteers-who-is-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>2/23/2010 Episode 3: Open Phones : Firefighter Netcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Volunteers; Who Is Listening? by Ray Pitman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Pitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a chief of a large volunteer (paid per call) fire department in south florida.  The union and liberal government are pushing the training issue for their own benefit.  We will put our county volunteer fire department safety records up against ANY full time department.  The issue is NOT more training, but the RIGHT training.  In florida, they are pushing the volunteers out, and it will cost the tax payers of our county 5-7 million dollars.  I guess the big question for some of the arrogant full time fire fighters is:  How can we do the same job you are doing, many times BETTER, and serve our community in so many other ways for substantially less money???  This is a clear example of the divide we now see in our country, Government trying to run everything through more control, taxes and spending.  Hopefully this November this will all change!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a chief of a large volunteer (paid per call) fire department in south florida.  The union and liberal government are pushing the training issue for their own benefit.  We will put our county volunteer fire department safety records up against ANY full time department.  The issue is NOT more training, but the RIGHT training.  In florida, they are pushing the volunteers out, and it will cost the tax payers of our county 5-7 million dollars.  I guess the big question for some of the arrogant full time fire fighters is:  How can we do the same job you are doing, many times BETTER, and serve our community in so many other ways for substantially less money???  This is a clear example of the divide we now see in our country, Government trying to run everything through more control, taxes and spending.  Hopefully this November this will all change!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arrogance and Ignorance Is a Dangerous Combo by ChiefReason</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/02/14/arrogance-and-ignorance-is-a-dangerous-combo/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>ChiefReason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent update to this situation is from the kbrbradio.com website:

* Long Pine City Council hires firm to investigate the Long Pine Foundation

(Posted Feb. 16)

The Long Pine City Council Tuesday, during its second special session in as many weeks, unanimously voted to retain a law firm to investigate the Long Pine Foundation’s handling of funds related to the Long Pine Palace and fire hall project.
The council agreed to pay a $2,500 retainer to the firm Jacobsen, Orr, Nelson, Lindstrom and Holbrook to research the Long Pine Foundation’s handling of funds, and will pay the firm an hourly rate of $175.
“We see discrepancies that need to be looked at,” Councilman Craig Bernbeck said.
Asked how hiring this law firm was different to a previous firm that researched the same issue, Bernbeck said the previous attorney did not find all of the foundation’s discrepancies.
Brenda Bernbeck with the city clerk’s office later told KBRB the city had spent $11,719 in legal fees to the previous firm, Sederstrom and Erickson, since 2008.
Resident Lynn Robertson read a statement imploring the City Council not to move forward with hiring a second law firm.
“I am very concerned about the fiscal integrity of the city of Long Pine,” Robertson told the council members. “Please act responsibly in upholding your office for the best interests of the city of Long Pine and vote against this special agenda item to spend yet another huge amount of taxpayer revenue on an issue that has already been explored exhaustively.”
Mayor Al Graves said there was no way to determine how much would be spent with the new law firm as it conducted its investigation.
Following the meeting, Long Pine Foundation President Linda Alberts said she had no idea what city officials were after.
“Every cent we have raised for the fire hall project is in an account in Omaha under the control of the Nebraska Community Foundation,” Alberts said. “I have no idea where they think this wrongdoing is coming from.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent update to this situation is from the kbrbradio.com website:</p>
<p>* Long Pine City Council hires firm to investigate the Long Pine Foundation</p>
<p>(Posted Feb. 16)</p>
<p>The Long Pine City Council Tuesday, during its second special session in as many weeks, unanimously voted to retain a law firm to investigate the Long Pine Foundation’s handling of funds related to the Long Pine Palace and fire hall project.<br />
The council agreed to pay a $2,500 retainer to the firm Jacobsen, Orr, Nelson, Lindstrom and Holbrook to research the Long Pine Foundation’s handling of funds, and will pay the firm an hourly rate of $175.<br />
“We see discrepancies that need to be looked at,” Councilman Craig Bernbeck said.<br />
Asked how hiring this law firm was different to a previous firm that researched the same issue, Bernbeck said the previous attorney did not find all of the foundation’s discrepancies.<br />
Brenda Bernbeck with the city clerk’s office later told KBRB the city had spent $11,719 in legal fees to the previous firm, Sederstrom and Erickson, since 2008.<br />
Resident Lynn Robertson read a statement imploring the City Council not to move forward with hiring a second law firm.<br />
“I am very concerned about the fiscal integrity of the city of Long Pine,” Robertson told the council members. “Please act responsibly in upholding your office for the best interests of the city of Long Pine and vote against this special agenda item to spend yet another huge amount of taxpayer revenue on an issue that has already been explored exhaustively.”<br />
Mayor Al Graves said there was no way to determine how much would be spent with the new law firm as it conducted its investigation.<br />
Following the meeting, Long Pine Foundation President Linda Alberts said she had no idea what city officials were after.<br />
“Every cent we have raised for the fire hall project is in an account in Omaha under the control of the Nebraska Community Foundation,” Alberts said. “I have no idea where they think this wrongdoing is coming from.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on Volunteers; Who Is Listening? by chiefreason</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/02/09/volunteers-who-is-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>chiefreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petar:
Sorry, but around here, we call that a piss poor attitude.
In a word, you&#039;re outnumbered.
Deal with it.
And please stay safe out there.
Art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petar:<br />
Sorry, but around here, we call that a piss poor attitude.<br />
In a word, you&#8217;re outnumbered.<br />
Deal with it.<br />
And please stay safe out there.<br />
Art</p>
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		<title>Comment on Volunteers; Who Is Listening? by Fire Critic</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/02/09/volunteers-who-is-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>Fire Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art, you really hit on something here. I have often thought a lot of the same things...and met with a lot of similar thoughts on the National Volunteer Fire Council. 

I just can&#039;t fathom why, from my view, they can&#039;t get their stuff together and do the right thing. 

Reform should be in session!

As for the NFPA...two things. 

It amazes me at how much stock is put into the guidelines 

and,

It amazes me at how little stock is put into the guidelines. 

It seems to me that we (fire service and many others included) have worked on these guidelines for so long, yet they seem to fall on mostly deaf ears. Most Chiefs decide when to use them and when not to. Even departments who have adopted the standard do not follow them as much as they should. 

and yes, they should be obtained by every department somehow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art, you really hit on something here. I have often thought a lot of the same things&#8230;and met with a lot of similar thoughts on the National Volunteer Fire Council. </p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t fathom why, from my view, they can&#8217;t get their stuff together and do the right thing. </p>
<p>Reform should be in session!</p>
<p>As for the NFPA&#8230;two things. </p>
<p>It amazes me at how much stock is put into the guidelines </p>
<p>and,</p>
<p>It amazes me at how little stock is put into the guidelines. </p>
<p>It seems to me that we (fire service and many others included) have worked on these guidelines for so long, yet they seem to fall on mostly deaf ears. Most Chiefs decide when to use them and when not to. Even departments who have adopted the standard do not follow them as much as they should. </p>
<p>and yes, they should be obtained by every department somehow!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Volunteers; Who Is Listening? by Petar</title>
		<link>http://chiefreasonart.com/2010/02/09/volunteers-who-is-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>Petar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry my friend but around here &quot;volunteer&quot; is a dirty word; if you&#039;re ain&#039;t IAFF you ain&#039;t shi...We try, we really do but it doesn&#039;t work that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry my friend but around here &#8220;volunteer&#8221; is a dirty word; if you&#8217;re ain&#8217;t IAFF you ain&#8217;t shi&#8230;We try, we really do but it doesn&#8217;t work that way.</p>
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